When you think the river and tree are real.

Sadly there are still people who think the New Jerusalem is an actual city with a new heaven and new earth.

“We enter the city (eternal life) by washing our robes in the blood of JESUS – by faith in Him – by grace we are saved and not by works. Even if we struggle, there is no condemnation because we fix our eyes on Jesus until the end – and are transformed more and more into His image.

But those who love wickedness and willfully rebel against Christ will perish outside the gates of the city forever.

Please for God’s sake, DO NOT ADD or REMOVE WORDS from the Book of Revelation! There are clear warnings NOT to DO so in Revelation 22:18-19

Jesus NEVER said that everyone is saved automatically after 70AD.

Saying that Jesus has saved everyone is a FALSE delusion and personal interpretation – that must be repented!

PLEASE DO NOT say that He has saved everyone after 70AD!

Do not make 70AD your GOD!!

Only listen to the WORDS of JESUS!

Jesus does not change.

He is the same – yesterday, today and forever.

Salvation was by faith before 70AD.

Salvation is still by faith after 70AD.”


There are confused people who do not understand the concept of inclusion and universalism. They argue that no evil will ever enter the new Jerusalem.

As such to them, evil will be eradicated and as such only certain people will be saved.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that they think the new Jerusalem is an actual place.

How many times must we tell you what John said and saw in Revelation is symbolic?

The new Jerusalem is not heaven. It’s a covenant.

This is Paul said.

Galatians 4:24-26

Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Read again.

Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants.

Now in the YLT.

Galatians 4:24

which things are allegorized, for these are the two covenants:


It’s not an actual city.

Covenants are different from contracts. A contract is an agreement between two parties.

A covenant on the other hand is different. A contract exchanges one good for another, while a covenant is giving oneself to the other.

God gave himself to us. The whole humanity. Not just Christians. A covenant is entered without the need of you doing anything. It is also independent from anything you do or who you are. Christians or otherwise.

I have therefore a problem with people who teach certain people will be annihilated, condemned and left behind.


Is there anyone in the old covenant since AD70?

If not, is not all mankind already in the new?

(Or at least for the IO chaps all Israel?)


Did Jesus’s blood only flowed for believers? Are your sins only washed by the blood of Jesus when you confess your sins?

If that is the case, when John becomes a Christian then the blood flows for his sins. Then 2 hours later, James confesses his sins and believes Jesus, the blood flows again 2 hours later. Then 5 minutes later, Dick confesses his sins does the blood flow again 5 mins later?

Is that how the blood works?


It only flows once. Not over and over again. The blood was for mankind. That’s why mankind is included in his death.

The same people who actually think the river of life in the New Jerusalem is a real river and the tree planted there is a real tree which branches brings healing to the nations.


Let me show you two verses.

John 7:38

Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

That’s us in Christ.

Then this.

John 15:5-7

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

We are those branches which bring healing to the nations.

The river and branches are metaphoric of your union with Christ in the new covenant.

When you actually believe it’s a city, or a real tree, you would start excluding people from the kingdom like this person.

“So what did Jesus say AFTER the old heaven and earth (old covenant) passed away in 70AD?

He said the Old heaven and earth was gone!


He is making all things NEW in this new heaven and earth (new covenant)

He said He will give the FREE GIFT of the WATER of LIFE to those who believe.

Outside are the unbelievers and those who love wickedness who perish.

Later on in the chapter, we see the NATIONS (peoples) outside the New Jerusalem AFTER 70AD and they have to enter the gates of the city by faith in Christ. Only the righteous will enter the city.”

No wonder some people accuse us of believing in fairy tales.

We were never saved by faith. We were saved by grace, through faith. Now that we are fully in the age of grace, there is no need for faith for grace to save us through.

1 Comment

  1. Thank you for your messages, today I believe I’m in a major transition of belief, but I’m scared to believe. At 23 God took me off a violent path; growing up in church I hated God and myself. One night at 23 years of age I told Him if He’s real, show me, and teach me who you really are. Since then I have gone from less and less of a religious belief to more and more of a radical grace belief. I’m 39 now, and I feel I’m going through a major belief transition and it scares me, because what if it’s wrong. There are so many new covenant preachers that preach well, but all have a different view, I guess you can say I’m confused, or maybe God’s just ripping out the rest of the old ways of religious thinking. I have so many questions, but the thing that has been bothering me the most is…..when is the time we see Christ face to face in human form? I’ve believed my whole life in a time of rapture and a place of total peace away from evil. Can you clear this up for me or lead me in a scriptural direction? Thank you for your time brother!

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