Part 3 of the rebuttal to the article “Preterism refutted by Paul in 10 points”
We will now look into the third point of that article which is herein reproduced for you.
“Preterism Refuted by Paul in 10 Points
C. Paul warned of much deception about timing. The Preterists are guilty, for
their whole perversion of the gospel is lying deception about timing.
1. Paul warned against deception from any quarter and by any means teaching imminency.
2. Isn’t it marvelous that Paul would address the very deceptive heresy that preterists teach?
3. It should not cause marvel, but thanksgiving, for God inspired scripture for saints’ safety.
4. It behooves you to be very cautious, careful, and skeptical about any timing emphasis.
5. Futurists pervert the timing by putting Christ’s secret “rapture” first before the antichrist.
6. Preterists are worse than futurists, who only corrupt the order, but do not deny the events.”
In part C, the author attacks both the Preterists and the Futurist for any timing emphasis.
I find this most strange. From my earlier two articles, you can clearly see that Paul and the rest of the apostles places great importance of the timing of such events.
As such I would rebut in particular what the author of that convoluted article said.
C1. Paul warned against deception from any quarter and by any means teaching imminency.
A: No he did not.
C2. Isn’t it marvelous that Paul would address the very deceptive heresy that preterists teach?
A: No. He did not. Even Jesus predicted it would come exactly 40 years after the Olivet discourse.
C3. It should not cause marvel, but thanksgiving, for God inspired scripture for saints’ safety.
A: Well that might be true, the emphasis Paul made against the unbelieving Jews at his time is clear.
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.
C4. It behooves you to be very cautious, careful, and skeptical about any timing emphasis.
A: This is not true. Jesus and the rest of the apostles constant kept warning about the last days in their time.
C5. Futurists pervert the timing by putting Christ’s secret “rapture” first before the antichrist.
A: Again this is pure opinion. The Futurist view consists of pre post and mid tribulation as wee as pre post and mid millennial.
The author is clearly ignorant of the various views of eschatology. This ignorance itself is enough to question the credibility and weight of the whole article.
C6. Preterists are worse than futurists, who only corrupt the order, but do not deny the events.
A: This again is untrue.
Perhaps the only basis I could think of why the author would think likewise is his (and in general many) understanding of the teaching of “no one knows the time and the hour”.
Firstly, that is not to be taken literally as Paul demonstrated in 1 Thessalonians 5 when he said “Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you”. This simply means Paul and the Thessalonians knew exactly when it would have happened.
2. Now that we got that out of the way, let’s find out what it actually means. Let us be very clear that the Olivet Discourse is a private affair between Jesus and his apostles whom were all Jewish.
3. As such it is important for us to understand what was being said from a Jewish mindset.
4. When a Jewish man wants to marry. He would bring his father to see his girl friend’s dad. They would then discuss a “deposit” that is to be paid.
5. After they pay the bride is deemed to be purchase with a price. Then a covenant meal is taken. The bride to be and the man exchange cups. The bride takes the cup of blessing. The husband the cup of suffering.
6. Then the father and the son leaves home. The father would then prepares a room as an extension of his house for the bride and the husband. It’s actually an extension.
7. The father will meticulously do this until the father is absolutely satisfied. So when the son ask the father will tell him “about the time and hour” only I will know.
8. When the time is ready, the father will declare to the son. The son then takes an entourage to meet the bride. He sends his forerunner. He announces “prepare for the groom”.
9. This is the moment when the bride suddenly realizes it’s her wedding day. She immediately puts on his wedding dress. Suddenly in a blink of an eye, she is transformed into the bride and the attention of her hometown.
19. She meets the husband halfway and is taken to the father’s house for a feast.
20. This is what that phrase means. It does not mean Jesus asked us not to speculate when he was coming.
21. He was speaking about how he was going to usher the Jews into the new covenant through the marriage of the Lamb.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
22. It is a Jewish custom for the father of the groom to prepare the house for the bride. It has to beautiful and befitting to usher the new bride.
23. The son of course being excited would always want it to be as soon as possible. So he ask the father “when can I bring my wife back?”
24. The father will say “when the room is ready.” He builds an extension to his house but the room has to be perfect. Not for the husband but for the wife.
25. So he says to the son “only I will know”. So when Jesus said this, he wasn’t saying to them he did not know the time of his coming. He was saying that they were about to leave the old covenant and entered into a new one.
26. They were about to be separated from their old “husband” and to be married to Jesus their new husband.
27. It has nothing to do with the timing of his coming. Otherwise Paul would not have written this.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
The Day of the Lord
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.”
28. How can it be that the Thessalonians knew he was coming and Jesus doesn’t?
29. Jesus actually knew when he would come. If you bothered to read further in Matthew 24, he actually said it.
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
30. Two things he said.
1. This generation. It will come within 40 years after what Jesus said in Matthew 24.
It will come within that generation he had come to.
2. Heaven and earth passes away. The term “heaven and earth” is a Hebrew colloquial term for the temple.
31. The temple was destroyed in AD70. 40 years after he said this.
32. It’s actually very clear here when you take the chapter divisions from the NIV text.
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
34. Jesus knew exactly when the marriage of the supper of the Lamb would happened.
40 years later. AD70.
We will continue with part 4 tomorrow.
Meanwhile here are the links to part 1 and 2 of this discussion.
Until then. Peace.