70 myths on losing salvation: 25 (B): call Jesus Lord and not do what he says to do.


Finally after 2 weeks I am back at my keyboard. I must say I miss the rush of having the Spirit revealing truth on a daily basis. I am sorry that I Ieft in the middle of a myth. I have looked forward to finishing part B. So here goes.

Myth 25: call Jesus Lord and not do what he says to do. Luke 6:46; Titus 1:16; 1John 2:4

Part B:

Titus 1:16

New International Version (NIV)

16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

1John 2:4

1 John 2:4

New International Version (NIV)

Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

The writer of 70 ways of the article “70 ways a believer can fall away”: http://smashingidols7.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/70-ways-a-believer-can-fall-away/ suggest that if we call Jesus Lord, and we do not says what we do, we are in danger of losing our salvation.

I have dealt with the issue in relation to Luke 6:46 here: https://hischarisisenough.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/70-myth-on-losing-salvation-25a-the-parable-of-the-wise-and-foolish-builders-3/

Let’s start with Paul’s letter to Titus. Who is this “they” who claim to know God?

Let’s start with chapter 1

Rebuking Those Who Fail to Do Good

10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

I Paul referring to believers here?

Clearly he is not, he is referring to people who try to bring Christians back to the Law. These are not believers but a certain group who teaches (especially to the Jews) that having been saved by Grace, they must  still keep the law of Moses. Paul has this to say:

“Galatians 3

Trust in Christ, Not the Law

 1 You crazy Galatians! Did someone put a hex on you? Have you taken leave of your senses? Something crazy has happened, for it’s obvious that you no longer have the crucified Jesus in clear focus in your lives. His sacrifice on the cross was certainly set before you clearly enough.

 2-4Let me put this question to you: How did your new life begin? Was it by working your heads off to please God? Or was it by responding to God’s Message to you? Are you going to continue this craziness? For only crazy people would think they could complete by their own efforts what was begun by God. If you weren’t smart enough or strong enough to begin it, how do you suppose you could perfect it? Did you go through this whole painful learning process for nothing? It is not yet a total loss, but it certainly will be if you keep this up!

 5-6Answer this question: Does the God who lavishly provides you with his own presence, his Holy Spirit, working things in your lives you could never do for yourselves, does he do these things because of your strenuous moral striving or because you trust him to do them in you? Don’t these things happen among you just as they happened with Abraham? He believed God, and that act of belief was turned into a life that was right with God.

 7-8Is it not obvious to you that persons who put their trust in Christ (not persons who put their trust in the law!) are like Abraham: children of faith? It was all laid out beforehand in Scripture that God would set things right with non-Jews by faith. Scripture anticipated this in the promise to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed in you.”

 9-10So those now who live by faith are blessed along with Abraham, who lived by faith—this is no new doctrine! And that means that anyone who tries to live by his own effort, independent of God, is doomed to failure. Scripture backs this up: “Utterly cursed is every person who fails to carry out every detail written in the Book of the law.”

 11-12The obvious impossibility of carrying out such a moral program should make it plain that no one can sustain a relationship with God that way. The person who lives in right relationship with God does it by embracing what God arranges for him. Doing things for God is the opposite of entering into what God does for you. Habakkuk had it right: “The person who believes God, is set right by God—and that’s the real life.” Rule-keeping does not naturally evolve into living by faith, but only perpetuates itself in more and more rule-keeping, a fact observed in Scripture: “The one who does these things [rule-keeping] continues to live by them.”

 13-14Christ redeemed us from that self-defeating, cursed life by absorbing it completely into himself. Do you remember the Scripture that says, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”? That is what happened when Jesus was nailed to the cross: He became a curse, and at the same time dissolved the curse. And now, because of that, the air is cleared and we can see that Abraham’s blessing is present and available for non-Jews, too. We are all able to receive God’s life, his Spirit, in and with us by believing—just the way Abraham received it.”

So Paul are not referring to believers but false prophets who pervert the Gospel.

Let us now go to John.

Let’s again look at 1 John 2 in its context.

Listen to what he says:

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heardYet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.”

If you read the verse quoted by the writer of that article in its context, you would note here that the commands John is referring to is “the message you have heard”. It is not the old commandments, i. e. the law. You see John says “the old command” is also a new command.

What is this “message you have heard” which is also a “new commandment”? Many people will tell you it is 10 commandments. It is NOT. John tells us in chapter 3.

11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.”

It is not the 10 commandments. It is the new command Jesus gave. He expounds this later here:

21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.”

This is the command: “to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.” Again there is a difference between the 10 and this new commandment. The difference is here. “We love because He first loved us” and “we love as He loved us.” You would note the new commandment receives its strength from how much you experience His Love. The veracity of that Love comes from Him. Not you. In the old, you must love. In the new, your capacity to love comes from Him.

In fact when Jesus said “if you love me, do what I command” is found in John 14. If you read the whole passage you will realize the commands he refers to is belief in Him and Loving one another. You can see from 1 John 2, John is actually making a commentary on John 14 in 1 John 2 and 3.

Here’s a comparison:


Can you see John 14 is truly reflected in 1 John 3. So what John is saying if you do not obey the commandment to believe in Him and allow His love to flow through you by grace, the truth is really not in you. If you had not believed, how can you be a Christian? If you are not a Christian, you never had salvation in the 1st place. How could you lose what you don’t have?


Also you can follow the refutes of  70 ways of losing your salvation by just click to this link:https://hischarisisenough.wordpress.com/tag/70-ways-to-lose-your-salvation/)


  1. we have done nothing to merrit grace and favor,so why as Christians are we expected so much to do,we cant save ourselves we can not appease him,only through Christ, so why do we beat ourselves in the head with so much guillt i dont understand?its what Christ has done,can we as believers exhale! i cannot be perfect i tried i faill ,i sin in thought and performance i repent because the spirit convicts me, daily struggle!

    1. Read Hebrews 6 , there is warning after about losing salvation . To me the shear fact I am warned means its a definite possibility that salvation can be forfeited . Paul told Timothy to fight the good fight while keeping faith and a good conscience. It is important to look at the bible holistically and examine every piece of scripture for what its worth, God Bless !

  2. Thank you Brother Simon;
    Sharing From Titus 3: 5
    (New International Version)
    5 He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy.He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

    (New King James Version)
    5 Not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

    Thomas Teh
    31/7/2012, 6.45pm

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